I am reproducing the interview here from the above blogpost just for my reference and also to keep the content alive and accessible even if the original is taken down.
Source: http://mindmoodsandmagic.blogspot.in/2017/10/law-is-instrument-to-keep-government-in.html
[‘Law is an instrument to keep the Government in check. Fear of Law is not good. Respect the law of the land. Love the laws of our country’ shared Subramanium Swamy today at the Dinanath Mangheshkar Hall in a public talk on “My Legal Pursuits” to a jam packed audience organized by the Prabodhan Manch, Vileparle. The Talk was Presided by Mrugank Paranjpe the C.E.O of M.C.X. Dr Swamy, in his own inimitable humorous style exhorted the audience to use the law to bring change. Lucky to meet him before his talk and after during an informal lunch he answered a series of questions related to Politics, Stress, motivating the youth of the country and his personal life changing moments. Excerpts of my personal conversations and his terrific lecture are here for all of us to read ………]
What motivates you, Subramanium Swamiji to crusade against issues across decades even today at the young age of 78?
Once while travelling across the country in the 70’s I found people gathered and found that the Shankaracharya of Kanchi was around. I was curious and went closer. He beckoned me and that was a life changing moment. Chandrashekarendra Saraswati told me many things that touched my life. A man of few words he spoke then to me for two hours. He said that never go after a post. Posts will come after you. And I was elected 6 times to the parliament without a rupee spent. He told me then ,never to break relations with two countries i.e. Israel and China. By the way the Chinese actually sent me melted ice in a bottle from the Kailash Manasarover a couple of days back. The Shankaracharya also told me that Soviet Union will split and he predicted it a decade before it actually happened. Today the pro-china communists hate me in India but I have no issues with China and they have no issues with me. I have been motivated by this Shankaracharya and I chant the mantra given to me by him. I am also inspired by many saints especially Shri Dayanand Saraswati . I practice yoga,pranayama and do a lot of asanas every day to remain fit. A Tamilnadu Member of Parliament once came and told me long ago that I am in the hit list of the L.T.T.E. I looked straight at him and said that Prabhakaran is also in my hit list. I am not scared of my life. The jihadis are after me too. Longevity is decided by God but health is in our hands. I am Vegetarian and do not drink alcohol.
What can energize the youth of the country?
Indians live with the fear of future tremendously. One can never get energized with the fears of the future. Work towards your conviction. Don’t care about the consequences. Work for a goal. Achieving the goal is not your right. Right to act is your right. Criticism results in a lot of stress. Don’t bother. Be on the task. I transfer the stress to all others. American children ask a lot of questions but Indian kids are made to shut up after a couple of questions by their parents.
What about our children?
Indian children are risk shy! Families should help the children to take risks. Parents cannot do it because of us being ruled for 1000 years. We yet feel the yolk of being ruled. I always give the example of how in a circus one lion after the other obeys the ring master to jump across a ring turn by turn. Why do the lions not tear the ring master to pieces? Why do they simply obey him? Why do a 1000 donkeys run at the sight of a tiger. Actually all of them can surround him and pin him down. That is our plight. We are yet responding to the old software, the patterns, imprints remind us that we are still ruled. We ask our children to move from one job to the other and do not inspire them to be entrepreneurs!
Is it not difficult to inspire kids to be risk takers?
For that parents need to be even tempered! Brushing them away harms. What will happen? At the most He or She will fall flat on the face. But that is fine. ‘I will work hard for it ‘. ‘Results are all upstairs’! We become very cynical and hyper critical of every issue and we very irresponsibly abuse everyone, Doctors, Lawyers, Judiciary and every one of being corrupt. Cynicism is also a consequence of being subjugated across 1000 years. Cynicism cannot improve society. We need to do constructive work. I don’t know why Indians are scared of controversies and being labeled controversial. In fact to be controvertible is important.
So what inspires you and what can inspire the youth?
I was thrown out of I.I.T Delhi as a Professor after I came back from Harvard as Indira Gandhi never liked me. I was thrown out without reason and without an inquiry and had no job. No one would give me a job then. Earlier Amartya Sen also disliked me and was told by him that I was not aligned to the ambience of the Universities. I was called a ‘Sanghi. As a kid I had played kabaddi in a shakha. My views just matched with R.S.S .The Congress then were supported by the Communists and the ruling party handed over the Universities to the Communists. I was outspoken and boldly stated that the ‘Socialism’ is not the right thing for the country and ‘market economy’ can raise the Growth rate from 3.5% to 10 %. Indira Gandhi the then Prime a Minister was very angry and she told my uncle who was a Congressman that I was mad. My family told Indira Gandhi that I never listened to my father and how would I listen to any one. I wrote a book,’Swadeshi Plan’ and the Jan Sangh then supported it. I had no job. This opened many doors for me. Failure I believe opens to something bigger. If I had remained in I.I.T I would have retired with a pension and would have got my P.F and would have been sitting somewhere watching T.V. I believe more than Success, failure inspired me. So I tell the youth, failure will always inspire you not the success.
What do you think about the recent decisions of the Supreme Court that looked favoring one community such as banning fire crackers during Diwali ?
The Supreme Court also banned Triple Talaq. They acted on the 2 G scam, on the issue of coalmines. The court acts on the arguments put forth by both sides. By far our Judiciary is very good and I have had a good experience. Why simple cases should be sent to the C.J.I of the Supreme Court. Why should we waste the time of the court for such simple issues.In fact all the retired Chief Justice’s across the country should be a part of an advisory council that can take up cases such as that of crackers during Diwali. Why should judges retire in their 60’s? What is 60 or 65? In fact in U.S.A Supreme Court they hear 200 petitions in a year and our SC hears that in a single day. There the prosecution and the defendant get 20 minutes each and then 10 minutes of rebuttal. But here a lawyer can argue for days…..Our Judges really work very hard.
Your legal journey began very early!
I studied law. And I found that in the Civil Procedure ‘Discoveries by Interrogatory’ is very useful. One can get all documents. I had 4 defamation cases in the 80’s against me where a senior Lawyer was involved and the Mayor of Mumbai as well as the late Ramakrishna Hedge Chief Minister of Karnataka. No lawyers were ready to appear for me. My mother in law found a Parsee lawyer Mr Vakil to help me but that too did not work out. No one had the guts to oppose the famous lawyer. I was told to apologize by all but I stood my ground. So I argued myself. They all fell apart as I used the procedure of ‘Discovery by Interrogatory’. In fact the Mayor of Mumbai then was exposed because he lied that he was a Doctor under oath and he was not registered under the Maharashtra Medical Council. This was told to me by Murli Deora from the same party. I also found that Mr. Hegde also had unlawfully put phone numbers of 51 people under surveillance. That sabotaged his attempts to become the PM that he was aspiring for. He wanted to meet me before his death and I met him on his death bed. He shared that hr regretted the decision.The lawyer himself who had filed two cases against me had not declared his many bank accounts. I also exposed Sonia Gandhi for falsely claiming that she studied English Literature at Cambridge. In the court when I exposed her she pleaded that it was a printing mistake. I got the evidence in writing from Cambridge University. Rahul Gandhi claimed he was M Phil from Cambridge but he never got one. He had failed in Economics. And in the National Herald case both the mother and son will get convicted for fraud. It is an open and shut case where Motilal Vora spoke to Motilal Vora and to Motilal Vora. This Gentleman was the Congress Treasurer and held posts also in other places.
You believe that a citizen of the country can fight their own cases!
Yes! Section 32 of Adv Act allows non advocates to argue. Sec 190 c.r.p.c ,a citizen can file a private complaint. Indian Constitution empowers citizens to seek effective legal interventions and we should use it. To be legally aware online and obtaining knowledge is important.Law is an instrument to keep the Government in check. Fear of Law is not good. Respect the law of the land. Love the laws of our country’. India is a much more democratic society than 1970. By and large our Judges are good.
What about the Ram Mandir issue?
120 % I will win the case. Our ex P.M Narasimha Rao has filed an affidavit that if remnants of a temple is found under the disputed structure than a temple can be built. When I had asked him then of why he did not fire at the karsevaks in Ayodhya during the demolition he told me that he was not a fool to do so. The two most renowned archaeologists in the country B.P.Lal & K.K Mohammed have clearly said that a temple existed. I do not see any issue here. The Prime Minister can easily take action and build a temple on behalf of the Government. It is not difficult.
Your Emergency days were very interesting:
Yes and a lot of it was in Vileparle where I am today. My G.P.S was Jagdish Baliga. I would go and stay in homes where he asked me to. I was told then not to remember the names as, if I am arrested the links would be exposed. In fact somewhere in the middle there was to be a change of plan as Atal Behari Vajpayee had different ideas. But Jaggu said nothing doing. With clockwork precision he would get my newspapers in the morning and letters from the underground letter service of R.S.S.[When asked Jagdish told me that he was carrying out instructions of his seniors and he also shared that Subramanium Swamy was also a dynamite to handle with so much limitless energy. Jagdish adds that his living was so simple that there was no issue at all]. The underground movement must go on. That was the time my name went all over the country. Nanaji Deshmukh and Madhav Muley also inspired me then. One man who never wilted was Morarji Desai and he stood his ground opposing Emergency. It was during Emergency that though wanted I landed up in the parliament and raised a ‘point of order’. The house was at that time expressing condolences to those parliamentarians who passed away. And I said let us also condole the ‘Death of Democracy’. My hands were in my pocket and many parliamentarians went under the table out of fear. I walked out of the Parliament and immediately caught a train to Mumbai and immediately went to Ved Prakash Goels home. Those days many lawyers fought against the emergency. I feel that law is the AK 47 of democracy. I also feel that law can be used by the common man for the betterment of our country.
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